I've long had a theory - observational only - that sons of star/superstar former players tend to be a bit overrated coming in (e.g. these Blue Jays, Bronny James, possibly Jack Leiter and Jackson Holliday etc.), while those with fathers of average talent who hung on in the League can be underrated (Tatis, Jr., Cody Bellinger, Alomar, Jr., Bobby Whitt, Jr., Griffey, Jr. etc.). There are exceptions of course, Barry Bonds is one that comes to mind.
There could be something to the experience of a child seeing their father struggle and internalizing what is required that makes them more committed and driven with a more intense work ethic than those with dads of immense talent that found the game easier to dominate.
Don't know if you caught it or not, but Devin Carter (Drafted number 13) credited watching his father Anthony Carter struggle and hard work to stay in the NBA has a reason he has been successful.
I continue to believe this sort of real life nurturing is a key reason as to why some children of former players succeed while others do not.
That's really interesting -- I meant to share this Tom Haberstroh story about the children of NBA players massively outperforming expected Win Shares based on where they were drafting, which goes along with what we've been talking about here:
That would be a fun one to test. Could be doable in baseball in particular, as BB-Ref has relatives listed (although I seemed to recall they had a complete listing on one page, I can't seem to find that now)...
Unfortunately, that's a Bullpen wiki page... I could have sworn they used to have a table linking different related players. But maybe there are elements of the Chadwick Bureau database that can link the players as well. https://github.com/chadwickbureau/register/tree/master
I've long had a theory - observational only - that sons of star/superstar former players tend to be a bit overrated coming in (e.g. these Blue Jays, Bronny James, possibly Jack Leiter and Jackson Holliday etc.), while those with fathers of average talent who hung on in the League can be underrated (Tatis, Jr., Cody Bellinger, Alomar, Jr., Bobby Whitt, Jr., Griffey, Jr. etc.). There are exceptions of course, Barry Bonds is one that comes to mind.
There could be something to the experience of a child seeing their father struggle and internalizing what is required that makes them more committed and driven with a more intense work ethic than those with dads of immense talent that found the game easier to dominate.
Don't know if you caught it or not, but Devin Carter (Drafted number 13) credited watching his father Anthony Carter struggle and hard work to stay in the NBA has a reason he has been successful.
I continue to believe this sort of real life nurturing is a key reason as to why some children of former players succeed while others do not.
That's really interesting -- I meant to share this Tom Haberstroh story about the children of NBA players massively outperforming expected Win Shares based on where they were drafting, which goes along with what we've been talking about here:
https://sports.yahoo.com/is-bronny-james-underrated-inside-the-phenomenon-of-the-nba-bloodline-155757959.html
That would be a fun one to test. Could be doable in baseball in particular, as BB-Ref has relatives listed (although I seemed to recall they had a complete listing on one page, I can't seem to find that now)...
Is this it? https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Category:Baseball_Families
Unfortunately, that's a Bullpen wiki page... I could have sworn they used to have a table linking different related players. But maybe there are elements of the Chadwick Bureau database that can link the players as well. https://github.com/chadwickbureau/register/tree/master
Neil, one last shot - https://www.baseball-almanac.com/family/fam2.shtml
Hopefully, that is helpful.